Comments on: Red Cards http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards A Bumpy Pitch Production Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:46:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Mind the Gap: Rapids News Between Week 2 & 3 - Kansas City Wizards - The Offside - Colorado Rapids MLS Soccer Blog http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-565 Mind the Gap: Rapids News Between Week 2 & 3 - Kansas City Wizards - The Offside - Colorado Rapids MLS Soccer Blog Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:28:45 +0000 http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-565 [...] red cards have stirred conversation even this early in the season: The Original Winger held forth on several of individual incidents just last Tuesday…O’Brien’s among [...] […] red cards have stirred conversation even this early in the season: The Original Winger held forth on several of individual incidents just last Tuesday…O’Brien’s among […]

]]> By: dunny http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-552 dunny Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:02:47 +0000 http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-552 Thanks man. We're trying to bring something a bit different to the table. Thanks man. We’re trying to bring something a bit different to the table.

]]> By: Jim http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-551 Jim Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:33:35 +0000 http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-551 Dunny, Good points & I agree that common sense is paramount to effective whistle blowing. You've certainly experienced the game @ levels I've not, yet having worked with a FIFA & numerous National refs, I've not noticed bias...certainly knowledge of tendancies. It is interesting to watch how personalities come into play (btw, Etcheverry & El Pibe had been 2 of my favorite players in MLS history). The behaviour that I hope MLS is working on improving are the lunging/high/dangerous tackles. For it to work, the action, not the result must be sanctioned. I'm admittedly naive regarding the professional game, but as a fan I hope it works. I agree that I pay & watch to see the stars, but if a charged up developmental player is allowed to do the number on Ruiz's knee without serious ramifications, then all we have left is a developmental league. BTW, keep doing what you're doing. This is without a doubt a blog that I truly enjoy. Dunny, Good points & I agree that common sense is paramount to effective whistle blowing. You’ve certainly experienced the game @ levels I’ve not, yet having worked with a FIFA & numerous National refs, I’ve not noticed bias…certainly knowledge of tendancies. It is interesting to watch how personalities come into play (btw, Etcheverry & El Pibe had been 2 of my favorite players in MLS history). The behaviour that I hope MLS is working on improving are the lunging/high/dangerous tackles. For it to work, the action, not the result must be sanctioned. I’m admittedly naive regarding the professional game, but as a fan I hope it works. I agree that I pay & watch to see the stars, but if a charged up developmental player is allowed to do the number on Ruiz’s knee without serious ramifications, then all we have left is a developmental league.

BTW, keep doing what you’re doing. This is without a doubt a blog that I truly enjoy.

]]> By: dunny http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-550 dunny Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:11:35 +0000 http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-550 Jim, Agreed, but I think the general consensus is a little more common sense refereeing. Unfortunately bias and intent do enter the minds of the referee, although they'd like to think/say it doesn't (i.e. any major player like say Blanco or Beckham, where tackles and/or dissent go unpunished because of stature and that's ok, because fans are there to see them, not a Developmental player. Remember Marco Etcheverry?).. I have the utmost respect for the job that's placed ahead of them every single week and if behavior is the first target (language and gesturing), then so be it. Jim,
Agreed, but I think the general consensus is a little more common sense refereeing.
Unfortunately bias and intent do enter the minds of the referee, although they’d like to think/say it doesn’t (i.e. any major player like say Blanco or Beckham, where tackles and/or dissent go unpunished because of stature and that’s ok, because fans are there to see them, not a Developmental player. Remember Marco Etcheverry?)..
I have the utmost respect for the job that’s placed ahead of them every single week and if behavior is the first target (language and gesturing), then so be it.

]]> By: Jim http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-548 Jim Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:37:29 +0000 http://theoriginalwinger.com/2008-04-07-red-cards#comment-548 Some thoughts from a former competitive player & current referee...Intent will never enter into the decision (the referee cannot enter the mind of the player)...The 7 red card offenses are simply based on the result of the action. The referee cannot allow the time of the match to determine the reaction to a Serious Foul Play offense, if you really think of what the term fairness means (i.e. consistent application of the laws)...Some from the still shots from the referees angle of Larentowiczs challenge are chilling & make it readily evident why the red card was warranted...There is a danger to drawing comparisons of one referee decision (i.e. I've seen that challenge go unpunished or punished less severly) to another set of circumstances. You've heard the term that a rising tide lifts all boats, keep in mind, the opposite is also true. The desire is fair & consistent application of the laws of the game, no question. Was Pablos Red v. Italy fair (I could argue that it was less dangerous than Larentowiczs attempted tackle)? Not meaning to ramble, but I believe MLS has communicated that they are cracking down on some areas of behaviour. If their initiative has legs, it will be better for all involved. IMHO. Some thoughts from a former competitive player & current referee…Intent will never enter into the decision (the referee cannot enter the mind of the player)…The 7 red card offenses are simply based on the result of the action. The referee cannot allow the time of the match to determine the reaction to a Serious Foul Play offense, if you really think of what the term fairness means (i.e. consistent application of the laws)…Some from the still shots from the referees angle of Larentowiczs challenge are chilling & make it readily evident why the red card was warranted…There is a danger to drawing comparisons of one referee decision (i.e. I’ve seen that challenge go unpunished or punished less severly) to another set of circumstances. You’ve heard the term that a rising tide lifts all boats, keep in mind, the opposite is also true.

The desire is fair & consistent application of the laws of the game, no question. Was Pablos Red v. Italy fair (I could argue that it was less dangerous than Larentowiczs attempted tackle)? Not meaning to ramble, but I believe MLS has communicated that they are cracking down on some areas of behaviour. If their initiative has legs, it will be better for all involved. IMHO.

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